لو قرر المصري المغترب إنه يتزوج من جنسية أخرى .. فما هي أنسب الجنسيات

[سهل جدا]

حياكم الله إخواني ..

أشكركم على تعليقاتكم وتفاعلكم مع الموضوع, وقد قرأت كل التعليقات لكن لي ملاحظة ..

بالنسبة للأخلاق والدين والعفة .. هذه صفات أساسية لكل رجل يبحث عن زوجة بغض النظر عن جنسيتها

لكن ما قصدته إنه مع وجود هذه الصفات السالفة الذكر ، فما هي أنسب جنسية للمصري من حيث تقارب العادات والأمزجة وما إلى ذلك من مقومات نجاح الحياة الزوجية

دمتم جميعا بود

[سهل جدا]

عفوا دكتور: كرسي مكسور (مش عارف قرأت اسمك صح ولا لأ)

بنت بلدك أولى بيك

وعلى فكرة , أعتقد الأحسن لك إنك تتجوز مصرية مقيمة في السعودية، هاتلاقي كثير في الخبر

أنا أعرف مصريين بيسعوا في الموضوع ده في الخبر عندك .. لو نويت قولي ..

[ahmedkamal]

الموضوع ده بجد جه في معاده...100%

اتجوزوا اي جنسية ما عدا المصريات..... غم....انا باشتغل في الخبر في السعودية...وفي نعمة والحمد لله...وطبيب معنديش مشكلة في موضوع الاستقدام...رحت مصر 3 مرات السنة دي عشان اخطب....اكتر من عشر محاولات....قاعدين محدش سائل فيهم وساعة لما تتقدم ال....ال ايه!!! الدلع يشتغل....

طيب واسيب ماما واسيب بابا...طيب ده بيقولوا مفيش خروج ومفيش مش عارف ايه...لغاية ما دمي اتحرق (مع ان مفيش اعتراض على السن ولا الأسرة ولا الشخصية اطلاقا)

والجملة الشهيرة من البشوات الأهل....وازاي تسافر معاه لوحدها و تكون بعيد عن اهلها و لو حصل بينهم مشاكل محدش يسندها....عمركوا شوفتوا ناس بتفكر في المشاكل قبل ما نخطب حتى...طيب انووا خير....حاجة هم

واحد صاحبي صيدلي و في امريكا ومعاه اجرين كارد عايش في نفس الظروف بالظبط من رمضان اللي فات وهيرجع اليو اس من غير جواز ولا بتاع...

ربنا يسهل بس واقنع الست الوالدة عشان رضاها يهمني واتجوز اي جنسية تكون عارفة يعني ايه جواز و حياة زوجية وتكوين اسرة ....

حبيبي ده العادي وللاسف هو ده اللي ماشي مش عاوز اقولك ناس بتعتبر كندا بتجيب اكتئاب ومعجبين جدا بالعيشه ف الفوضى والاهمال وتيجي تكلمها تقولك ازاي اسافر واسيب ماما مع انها بتبقى مش لاقيه حد يعبر فيها ولو عيشت ف مصر عاوزة كل يوم تبقى عند امها وتدخلات ف حياتك من اول يوم وتحتار يا اخي ف البنت اليومين دول تقولك عاوزة شاب مجتهد وطموح ومش هنختلف ف الماديات تيجي ساعة الجد تلاقيهم بينقاشوك ف كل حاجه ماديه وينسوا خالص شخصيتك ياراجل احنا بنفترض الفشل قبل وقوعه ماتشوف ازاي بنقعد نتناقش ع المؤخر والقايمه والقاعده بنبقى لسه هنبدأ حياتنا وهم بيتناقشوا ف الفشل

صدقني لو الواحد مالوش اهل لكان اتجوز واحده غير المصريه بتاعت اليومين دول لانها لاتتحمل المسئوليه بالمره ومعظمهم الا من رحم ربي مدلعين وفاكرين ان كل شيئ بيجي بسهولة

واوعى تفتكر ان رغبتهم ف البقاء ف مصر وطنيه زياده ولا حاجه هي بس عشان تكون جنب امها واللت والعجن

[eTiger]

واحد صاحبي متزوج من واحدة مسلمة من دولة من دول الاتحاد السوفيتي السابق.

بيقولي بتعامله زي سي السيد (فاكرينه؟)

ده غير الاحترام ، والوفاء والإخلاص والطاعة.

[melhamy]

ما فيش أحسن من الصعيدية ...

قاعدة فى البيت تربى العيال و لا عندنا مشكلة فى أى حاجة .. عايشة فى ميه البطيخ .. هو يوم الجمعة أكله السمك و نبدء الأسبوع من الأول يامعلم و لفى بينا يا سفينه .... :lol:

[nizza la bella]

مصر الفرعونية

بابا انا عايز اتجوز اختى حت حور

خلاص يا ابنى خليها تنقل حاجتها فى قوضتك.. وابقى هاتلها حجرين صوان هدية.. مبروك يا تاح

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مصر فى عصر الرومان

تتجوزينى يا افروديت

اتجوزك يا بانسيلوس

يللا بينا نبنى كوخ ع البحر ونعيش هناك يللا

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مصر بعد الفتح الاسلامى

ولدى خالد يا شيخ احمد بيريد يتجوز ابنتك البكر الكريمة.. وبيبنى خيمة.. ويقدم مهر بعير

والله خالد ولدك زين الرجال .. وايش اتمنى غير رجل صالح يكون زوج لبنتى .. وكما قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ' ان جاءكم من ترضون دينه وخلقه فزوجوه ' .... قيموا الافراح

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مصر 1919

انت ح تتجوز بنت الحاج عبد الجليل .. انا كلمته خلاص ووافق .. وضب قوضتك وهات خلخال .. فرحك يوم الخميس اللى جاى

طب مش اشوفها الاول يابا

انت اتجننت يا ولد تشوفها ده ايه .. انت ح تتجوز والا تخبص

حاضر يابا

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مصر 1960

بقى يا ستى بنتك آمال جالها عريس

ياألف نهار ابيض يا ألف نهار مبروك

جدع طيب وابن حلال موظف فى الحقانية .. وماهيته مش بطالة .. اهو يبنوا حياتهم سوا بعد الجواز.. والا ايه رأيك يا أم العروسة؟

الرأى رأيك يا أبو العروسة .. والله العيال ح يعجزونا يا ابو محمد

فشر .. تدبل الوردة وريحتها فيها يا نرجوستى

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مصر فى عصر الانفتاح

اخرسى يا بنت... انا اللى يتجوز بنتى لازم يكون عنده شقة تمليك وعربية وسوبر ماركو

بس يا ماما

ما فيش بس.. انا وابوكى قبل ما يموت فى الحرب كانت بتعدى علينا ايام ما بنلاقيش ناكل.. انا يا بنتى مش عايزاكى تتعذبى زى ما احنا اتعذبنا.. انتى ح تتجوزى فتحى ابن خالتك

بس انا مش بحبه يا ماما

الحب ما بيأكلش تونة فى الزمن ده يا فالحة

امرك يا ماما

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مصر 2008

البنت: بابا ريكو حييجى يقابلك بكره وهو راجع من المول مع ديدى متتكلمش معاه فى اى ماديات من فضلك انا بشترى راجل واحنا معانا كتير وبعدين الكلام فى المهر والعفش والقايمه والفرح ده موضه قديمه وحاجات بلدى ياى

انا اتفقت معاه على كل حاجه والفرح فى كافيه ماريانو فى المعادى على الضيق كده وانا جيت اعزمك انت ومامى

الاب: مبروك يا حبيبتى

:lol:

تم تعديل 27 ديسمبر 2008 بواسطة nizza la bella

[jgeorge]

النصيحة هى ان المصرى المسلم يتزوج من مسلمة عربية، و المصرى المسيحى بتزوج من مسيحية عربية

كل ما اختلف الدين و العرق و الاصل و العادات و التقاليد كل ما احتملات الفشل فى الزواج فى المستقبل و بالذات الاختلاف فى طريق تربية الاولاد

و بعدين اللى تزوج من بنت اوروبية شرقية طب هى مين فى المجتمع و من عيلة مين و ايه اصلها و فصلها، و لماذا لم تتزوج من واحد من بلدها و دينها و عادتها و تقاليدها؟

و بعدين فيه فرق ان الواحد يتزوج من اجنبية فى بلده، او يتزوجها فى بلدها و يبقى مش بيلعب على ارضه، و يبقى بالسلامة على الاولاد لانها لو عملت كيت و كيت قبل الزواج يبقى حتربى بنتها على عمل نفس الاشياء بس من وراك

تسمع كلام ربنا و لا تسمع كلام البابا؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

أكثر العلماء تقريبا، قيدوا اباحة الزواج من الكتابية بأن تكون محصنة، وهذا بنص كتاب الله "اليوم أحل لكم الطيبات وطعام الذين أوتوا الكتاب حل لكم وطعامكم حل لهم والمحصنات من المؤمنات والمحصنات من الذين أوتوا الكتاب من قبلكم". والأرجح أن المحصنة في هذا السياق هي العفيفة.

واستطرد بأن شرط العفة هو حكم عام للزواج من الكتابية والمسلمة.. "ولكن شيوع الفواحش في الغرب، جعلنا ننظر هكذا، فذكرنا بأن الكتابية إذا لم تكن عفيفة وكانت تتعاطى من المحرمات والفواحش، فلا يجوز للانسان أن يجعلها أما لولده ومخدعا لسره، وهذا مذكور عند اكثر الفقهاء".

فشل الزيجات المختلطة

وقال الشيخ عدنان ابراهيم: هذا الرأي لم أتفرد به وإنما تأثرت فيه بعلماء معاصرين أفاضل، وكانت الخلفية الواقعية لذلك، ما رأيته من فشل ذريع في الزيجات المختلطة هنا في النمسا، وتحلل أسر وضياع أطفال، فبين كل مائة زيجة لا تجد سوى زيجة واحدة ناجحة.

وفسر ما ورد في البحث بقوله: على كل حال هذه فتوى وليست حكما، فالحكم هو كل ما ثبت عن كتاب الله ونص رسول الله الصحيح ولا يمكن التراجع عنه، أما الفتوى فيراعى فيها تنزيل حكم على واقع الناس.

وأضاف: تبريري قبل عشر سنوات كان هو نفس تبرير وخلفية قداسة البابا يوحنا بولس الثاني عام 2004 حينما دعا المسيحيات إلى عدم الزواج من المسلمين. لقد أفتيت ذلك مراعاة للواقع لأنني

Convert Muslims, don't marry them

Italian Catholic bishops call for a clampdown on interfaith marriages

The Asian Age, February 4, 2000

London: The Roman Catholic Church has asked priests in Italy to discourage marriages between Catholics and Muslims. The Catholic clergy has also been urged to focus on "converting Muslim immigrants to Christianity."

A spokesman for the Italian Bishops' Conference, Monsignor Ennio Antonelli, has stated that the Italian Church considered marriage between Catholics and Muslims to be "less than ideal." He has also called for more "rigorous examination" of marriage applications by mixed couples, reported the Times.

Monsignor Antonelli claimed Italian bishops were worried about the "negative traits" of Islam. He also asked the government to be "more aware of them" when granting marriage licences.

In his statement, the Church spokesman added that Christians had a duty to remind Muslims that "Jesus is their saviour too, even though they may not know it."

The drawbacks of Islam, he said, included the denial of equal rights for women and polygamy. "These are infringements of rights guaranteed under the Italian Constitution as well as an affront to Christian values," he said. Most mixed marriages in Italy involve native Catholic women and immigrant Muslim men from North Africa and Asia.

There are about 600,000 immigrants from Islamic countries in Italy, some of whom entered the country illegally. Government statistics indicate there are nearly 12,000 mixed marriages registered in the country. Ten years ago the figure was 6,000. Last year, 100 dispensations were granted by the Catholic Church for Muslim-Catholic marriage ceremonies. But the total number of mixed marriage ceremonies in Italy annually is believed to be much higher as the Church has no say in civil ceremonies.

Italian bps. warn Catholics not to marry Muslims

12/2/2005

OME (CNA/press reports) – Italian bishops Nov. 30 warned against Catholics marrying Muslims, citing cultural differences and fears that children born to mixed marriages would shun Christianity.

The Times of London reported on Dec. 1, that Cardinal Camillo Ruini, president of the Italian Bishops Conference and papal vicar of Rome, said, “In addition to the problems that any couple encounters when forming a family, Catholic and Muslims have to reckon with the difficulties that inevitable arise from deep cultural differences.”

Cardinal Ruini noted cultural differences over issues such as the role of women and the education of children made such partnerships very difficult.

The Times reported that church officials said that there were 200,000 mixed marriages in Italy.

“Because of the experience of recent years, we would advise against, or least discourage, mixed marriages,” the bishops stated according to a Catholic News Agency Dec. 2 report, saying that such unions are “inherently fragile,” that mixed couples tend to disagree about “the religious education of their children” and that couples often have opposing views regarding “the role of women” and the very meaning of marriage.

“In addition to difficulties of each couple, Catholics and Muslims who wish to form a family encounter problems related to profound differences of a religious and cultural nature,” the bishops warned.

The statement calls for priests who celebrate such unions to seriously question engaged couples about religion, their knowledge of each other’s culture and the type of religious education they wish to provide their children.

In Italy mixed marriages have increased from 8,600 in 1992 to 19,000 in 2005, and are up about 10 percent this year alone.

[jgeorge]

سوف كده الانجليزية اللى اتجوزت مصرى بتقول ايه و هى حامل

طبعا لازم تعرف ان الاجنبية مش عيجبها المصرى المتدين الملتزم، هى عايزه اللى بيشرب و بيرقص او على الاقل مبيصليش و ضاربها طبنجة

...

I married my Muslim husband in October of last year and if I'm honest it has never been easy. There are so many differences and its ruining what we had. When I met him he wasn't practising, we met in a club whilst he was drunk and he moved in with me shortly afterwards. At that time I was in the process of a divorce which he didn't seem to mind about. His father died about a year later - after we had done Fetiha in his home country. I agreed to do as I was told, he didn't even really explain what went on - but I am confident in my religion and went along with it. A year later we married in England, firstly in a Registry Office so religion was not a problem but I wanted to be blessed, we modified the wedding so as not to offend or cause a problem with Islam for my husband or his friends, which meant I had no sign of the cross and no kneeling - I did this for him. 4 weeks prior to our wedding he decides hold me that if and when we have children they must be Muslim, now I'm sorry, I love my husband but I find this very difficult. My husband has now semi-returned to practicing Islam - he doesn't pray or go to the mosque - doesn't drink, only eats halal and is now pretty much trying to keep us at home. Due to his semi-return my life has changed, I don't drink, we very rarely go out, I end up eating halal, which I don't agree with, but I have to accept this because of him. We all know from above my husband has committed extremely serious sins, I was not the first woman he had an affair with. He tells me he will be punished severely for these sins but the fact is he still insists the children must be Muslim. I don't understand this, if he was fully practising then perhaps (and it is perhaps) I could understand this better but he is not. We have discussed names of children so we can try and find some common ground - Joseph and Yousef but he insists that they must been known as Yousef - I am fair haired and blue eyed - what if we have a child the same, he is going to have so much to deal with from a very early age. I do not hate Islam, but I do not understand the constrains it puts upon us, my Christianity never comes into it, we are never not able to do anything due to Christianity. I feel I sound like a spoilt child who is not getting her way but this is splitting up our relationship, I love my husband but he will not give on one point, which I'm lead to believe is Islam - can anyone else give me some ideas on how to get through this, I don't want to divorce but its getting to the point where I just don't want to be miserable anymore. I'm 32 years old, I don't go out other than to work - I hold down 2 jobs while he has 1, I stay at home, cook halal and feel I have given up my identity. There are many many more things that have gone wrong in the last 3 years too many to put on here and they are all based around my husband's selfishness towards me and my religion.

I am sorry to have ranted on but I'm desperate to find people who have been through this and got out the other side. Sorry to be so miserable on my first posting.

Kind regards

Sarah

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28th December 2005, 02:40 PM #2

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Hi Sarah

I haven't shared similar experiences to you but am familiar with what you describe as we have many muslim friends. One particular family that my H and I have been friends with since leaving college. The boys were all born in this country and had/have local accents. They smoked, drank alcohol frequented clubs and dated white British girls. The one boy fell deeply in love with a work colleague and they dated for years. And then when the time was right he followed through with his family's expectations and married a girl from his country of origin (known to the family). The long term girlfriend was "dumped"! These "boys" (now in their forties), all married girls from back home though they continue to drink in pubs, smoke, celebrate Christmas to the full and live a very western style of life. They certainly don't observe the Halal rule. They married Pakistani girls because they really wanted to keep the extended family happy. They would never allow any of the older generation to see them breaking the rules and would do nothing to upset the family's status quo.

Which is why your situation is quite unusual. Did his family not try to stop your marriage in the first place? Did you not discuss these cultural differences and how you'd resolve them. Especially as regards having children. Or has he changed his mind recently? Sounds to me like the death of his father has stirred up guilty feelings in him which has turned him back to his religion. He probably "sees" his father watching and judging him. Their religion runs very deep and very strong, and I'm not sure how your desires can hope to compete with this. Generally Muslim men expect their wives to be obedient - something that a lot of us western women would find very difficult. Also something that many western raised Muslim women find hard to deal with. You need to talk (obviously) and consider YOUR happiness (not just his). If it seems that these differences cannot be overcome then there seems little hope for the marriage. For God's sake don't have children before you have things well and truly sorted!

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Thanks Jools, your comments are much appreciated. This is based around his father's death but I do think it would have happened at some point.

His family had no problems with us marrying, they are not in the UK but North African, they push religion when I am there and I got to the mosque with my husband's mum when I can because her own daughters won't. They seem to be quite tolerant, but I'm not sure they would be if they thought I was "acting up". My husband came to England in 2001 to study and we met the following year, I wasn't his first girlfriend and he was and is very happy to live the "western" life when he chooses... I have tried my hardest to read and learn about Islam, I'm always asking questions and reading and finding my own answers. Once my husbands training ended he could only return on a Fiancé Visa which meant we had to marry after 6 months, trouble was he came back into the country still not practicing - it was part way through the wedding plans when he asked about a church blessing that he was told the children must be Muslim - If I'm honest, I can't believe he didn't know, but he swears he didn't. It therefore left me 4 weeks to decide what to do. We had always previously been able to sort things so I assumed (stupidly) that we could sort this as well but I honestly don't think we can. We talked to an imam and I was totally blanked in the conversation, I dressed as I should and was respectful but I didn't feel that came back, if I'm truly honest my own C of E Vicar was of no help to me. Sorry I'm ranting again. Just nice to be able to get it off my chest. Thanks again for your posting, it all helps.

Take care

Sarah

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Hi Sarah

Rant all you want! I often do. Problem is, we haven't been raised to be "blanked", and if you stick in this culture you will ahve to learn to accept it (from the men anyway). I reckon the only way that you will cope with it all is if your H is totally sympathetic to your feelings and is occasionally prepared to fight your corner. The whole subservient thing must be SO hard when you're not used to it! Presumably he knows of your unhappiness. What does he have to say about it all?

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Dear Sarah

Might I suggest you look in our interfaith section. There is an organisation that specialises in supporting people in Muslim Christian marriages linked from there, which might be able to help you and would certainly understand the issues that you are facing.

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Its very difficult because basically if he has returned to Islam the kids have to be brought up as Muslims thats not negotiable. I have been in Saudi Arabia for the past 7 years and the cultural differences between Muslims and Westerners is frightening. I am agnostic so this is not from a religious point of view but an observation. You will never see a Muslim woman marry a Christian man its not allowed. I have seen a few western girls marry in to Muslim families and in most cases it has worked but the girls have to make the sacrificies, most of them have gone in to the relationship with there eyes open and its worked, but we will see, when the second wife usually the phillipino maid hired to look after the kids gets her claws in to the guy, the first wife get thrown on to the scrap heap. Sorry to answer this in such a cynical manner

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Hello Sarah,

Your dilemma strikes a cord with my own recent prediciment. Like your husband I am a muslim who drinks, socilaises etc and while at university met a white english christian girl with whom i fell in love with. Obviously the issue of what would happen if we got married, if we had kids etc...was on her mind as the relationship progressed..and she quizzed me about this - as any girl wants to know if there is realistically a future for 'us'. I reassured her by being honest with her..saying that If I wish to be a more stricter muslim in the future then that is my perogative as religion is personal and assured her in line with teachings of Islam she would be free to keep and practice her own (Christian) religion and customs if she wished and did not need to convert. So what your husband is doing is wrong in this respect - he should not restrict you from eating non-halal, praying etc...In a Christian/muslim marriage both sides can keep their own seperate religions and still live in harmony side by side - perhaps your husband is getting tradtion/culture confused with religion.

However with the issue of children - yes they do have to be raised a muslim - this is the father's obligation to do so. I relayed this to my girlfriend...but said that I would prefer it if they were..but I acknowledge they might not be and that it would be hypocritical given that I am not that religious anyway. I loved my girlfriend dearly and reassured her that it wouldn't be a problem...and that we could compromise and teach them both religions if need be. At the end of the day I explained to her that I am fully aware growing up in British society like herself that the majority of youth are not interested in religion anyhow even if they are taught it from a young age (myself is an obvious example), also at the end of the day children when they grow up will make their own choices about whether they follow religion or not and indeed which one. I would never do my girlfriend/wife wrong like your husband has - who now suddenly expects you to conform and change just because he has. I wanted to be with my girl because of all the things that make her..I don't want to marry her and then change her!

Your relationship like mine was always going to be about compromise on both sides ..you both knew that when you got together..I think you should try and find some middle ground here....try reverting back to what is says in Islam about mixed marriages (i.e. you should be free to keep your religion etc) and you will see that it is more than tolerant! It's culture/traditions not religion being imposed upon unfairly on you here. So please don't hate Islam!

I hope this helps in some way mate!...get back to us if you like or drop us a line at slickerthanuraverage@hotmail.com

Mia

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28th January 2006, 04:16 PM #9

Agnes

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Dear Sarah,

I understand you problem. I am together with a Muslim man, yet we are still young to marry. We met at university and at the beginning none of us thought it was going to end up in a serious relationship. We now live together and even though he has visited my country and my family loves him his family still doesnt even know i exist! It is hard from my point of view to asume I am never going to have a good or any relationship with my boyfried/husband´s family. His family is very traditional and he loves them a lot. I am always worried that one day he will tell them and will agree to leave me in order to keep his family happy. I will not want to find myself with all my dreams broken after so many years of being together. I also worry that with time he will become more religious (he already is quite religious) and will end up changing our relationship. The message from Mia was helpful as it is always good to hear some positive solutions from another muslim. My boyfriend says our relationship will never change and even though he will become more religious with the years that wont change the fack that he loves me and that I will alwaysbe able to keep my Christian faith. Still the idea of his family scares me too much and I cant stop thinking that one day he´ll change and break my heart. Also there is all this traditions like not showing affection in public which I will never be able to cope with as, from my point of view, people that love each other should be able to express their love freely. I dont know if this will help you but it is always good to share experiences.

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29th January 2006, 07:52 PM #11

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IF you want some advice from those who have experience in this area, have a look at some of the organisations here.

Liz

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3rd February 2006, 12:00 PM #12

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Hi Sarah, I completly sympathise with you, as I'm going through exactly the same problem, Ive been married to my muslim H for 7 years, and for the whole of the 7 years, all i have done it agree to his ways, and i feel at a lost end to. Its sort of comforting that there are people who are going through the same ordeal its really difficult, and I really believe there are no answers, because the muslim men are so stubborn in their ways. it would be nice to hear from you. Good luck

Alex xxx

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19th February 2006, 07:56 PM #13

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Hi,

The Muslim Christian couples group meet in London twice a year, and the next meeting is in March. I can't post the details here, but if you want to know more, you can contact someone either through the www.interfaithmarriage.org.uk site or www.mcmarriage.org.uk

[شاب مصري]

اهل بعودتك الجميلة دكتور jgeorge

أنا سألت شيخ أزهري متخصص في الفتوى عن موضوع الزواج من الكتابية

فقال لي ان المسيحية أو اليهودية لو كانت مش محصنة وبتعمل كل البلاوي ولكن أسلمت (وحسن اسلامها وكان عن اقتناع وحب للاسلام وليس اجراء لتسهيل الزواج)

فان الاسلام يجبّ ما قبله

ومافيش أي مشكلة خالص

ولكن لو ظلت على دينها فعلى المسلم أن يتخذ من التدابير ما يضمن بها ان اولاده يكونوا مسلمين صالحين

وان كان الزواج من الكتابية ليس مستحب حاليا لانتشار العنوسة عندنا

ما فيش أحسن من الصعيدية ...

قاعدة فى البيت تربى العيال و لا عندنا مشكلة فى أى حاجة .. عايشة فى ميه البطيخ .. هو يوم الجمعة أكله السمك و نبدء الأسبوع من الأول يامعلم و لفى بينا يا سفينه .... :)

تمام يا باشا

واه واه يا بوي

ups:

واحد صاحبي متزوج من واحدة مسلمة من دولة من دول الاتحاد السوفيتي السابق.

بيقولي بتعامله زي سي السيد (فاكرينه؟)

ده غير الاحترام ، والوفاء والإخلاص والطاعة.

يا سلام

بجد هو دا الجواز ولا بلاش

:lol:

[fatfouta]

يعني هو لو مغترب مافيه عنده بنات مصريات كثير مغتربين..ولا لازم يشحطط عياله بين مصر وبين دولة الأم...!!!

الله ينور عليكى يا ايمو والله

اقولك يا مصرى احسن واحدة تتجوزها مصرية ذيك

مضحيه ومربيه وبتتحمل مع جوزها وفى نفس الوقت شقيانه

يا ناس ارحموا نفسكم وارحموا بنات بلدكم انتوا مش شايفين العنوسة عندنا فى البلد وبنات ذى الفل حرااااام عليكوا كده

وشكرا لكل اللى نصحك ماتتجوزش مصرية :lol:

[أحمد سيف]

بعدين بصراحة شديدة أعرف أكثر من مصري متجوز من غير مصرية ..وبيعبروا بصراحة إنه بيجي في بالهم كثير إنهم عاوزين يتجوزا مصرية ..

الموضوع ده له تفسيرين ... إما انهم ندموا على اختيارهم وعاوزين يصلحوا غلطتهم أو انهم اكتشفوا إن الجواز حاجه حلوه لما اتجوزوا من بره وعاوزين يعملوها ثاني ... الفيصل هنا لما يتجوزوا مصرية ... هاتفضل برضه نفسهم مفتوحه للجواز.

أنا شخصيا ماعنديش مشكله اتجوز مره ثانية من مصرية أو من غير مصرية :lol:

[ahmedkamal]

يعني هو لو مغترب مافيه عنده بنات مصريات كثير مغتربين..ولا لازم يشحطط عياله بين مصر وبين دولة الأم...!!!

الله ينور عليكى يا ايمو والله

اقولك يا مصرى احسن واحدة تتجوزها مصرية ذيك

مضحيه ومربيه وبتتحمل مع جوزها وفى نفس الوقت شقيانه

يا ناس ارحموا نفسكم وارحموا بنات بلدكم انتوا مش شايفين العنوسة عندنا فى البلد وبنات ذى الفل حرااااام عليكوا كده

وشكرا لكل اللى نصحك ماتتجوزش مصرية :lol:

احنا لما اتناقشنا مكناش بننتقد من شأن بنات بلدنا اللي هم اخوتنا ومنهم امهاتنا بس فعلا الواقع حاليا عندنا في مصر بيدفع الكثير انه يفكر بعيد عن مصر لان بجد بقى فيه مظهريه زايده عندنا فيه ناس كتير عاقله لكن الجو العام اللي سائد مش كده وربنا يهدي الجميع

[Torontotruk]

[ربنا يسهل بس واقنع الست الوالدة عشان رضاها يهمني واتجوز اي جنسية تكون عارفة يعني ايه جواز و حياة زوجية وتكوين اسرة ....

انت بن حلال و تستاهل كل خير...توكل علي الله.

[سهل جدا]

أنا لما كتبت الموضوع كنت خايف إن بعض الأخوة يجرح أو ينتقص من الجنسيات الأخرى ..

لكن بعد كده اكتشفت الصاعقة ..

إن الهجوم الآن أصبح على المصريات (أمهاتنا وزوجاتنا وأخواتنا) ..

إيه يا جماعة فيه إيه ..

على فكرة يروى عن ا لإمام الشافعي إنه قال: اللي ما تزوج مصرية كأنه ما تزوج ..

[pharaon]

السلامو عليكم انا هقول رأيى ويا ريت محدش يزعل

زمان من عشر سنين او اكتر كان صح الجواز من المصريات

لكن دلوقتى

والجيل الجديد بتاع الافينات (زى البنات الى خريجين 2003 او 2004 او 2005 وهكذا ......... )

بقى الجواز منهم هو الغلط نفسه

مع احترامى ليهم

فاشلين فى كل حاجة

الطبخ

ادارة البيت

الاهتمام بنفسها وجوزها

تربية الاولاد

مع كل العيوب ديه

بتتنك وعلي ايه مش عارف (مع ان نسبة جمالهم زفت واغلبهم قبيحات وشكلهم يقرف )

مع ده كله فى ناس بتغلط وتتجوزهم

ومع كده تلاقى ملكة النكد الازليه ليل ونهار فى نكد وقرف وخناق :) :) mc:

وغير ده كله

تحسسك انها ملكة احسن شقة واحسن مش عارف ايه

وطماعيييييييييييييين

وكل ده على ايه فكك منى مش متجوز مصرية انا ابدا

على فكرة انا مش متجوز بس كنت خاطب قبل كده

انا بقى مع الشعب السورى الشقيق

وبنات حلب

حبايب قلبى

انشاء الله ربنا يرزقنا واحدة بنت حلال منهم :yahoo: mfb:

[pharaon]

المصريات الى حضرتك بتتكلم عليهم يا استاذ سهل جدا دول كانوا زمان

لكن دلوقتى لا

مبقوش زى زمان انا نفسى فى بتوع زمان دول والله :yahoo:

بس فين بح خلااااااص

[Torontotruk]

واحد صاحبي متزوج من واحدة مسلمة من دولة من دول الاتحاد السوفيتي السابق.

بيقولي بتعامله زي سي السيد (فاكرينه؟)

ده غير الاحترام ، والوفاء والإخلاص والطاعة.

صحيح...وحتي غير المسلمين...

[Torontotruk]

[quote name='ahmedkamal' date='Dec 27 2008, 08:51 AM' post= ع المؤخر والقايمه والقاعده بنبقى لسه هنبدأ حياتنا وهم

صدقني لو الواحد مالوش اهل لكان اتجوز واحده غير المصريه بتاعت اليومين

:yahoo: mfb: مصدقك :) :) mc: :lol: :lol:

[Torontotruk]

السلامو عليكم انا هقول رأيى ويا ريت محدش يزعل

زمان من عشر سنين او اكتر كان صح الجواز من المصريات

لكن دلوقتى

والجيل الجديد بتاع الافينات (زى البنات الى خريجين 2003 او 2004 او 2005 وهكذا ......... )

بقى الجواز منهم هو الغلط نفسه

مع احترامى ليهم

فاشلين فى كل حاجة

الطبخ

ادارة البيت

الاهتمام بنفسها وجوزها

تربية الاولاد

مع كل العيوب ديه

بتتنك وعلي ايه مش عارف (مع ان نسبة جمالهم زفت واغلبهم قبيحات وشكلهم يقرف )

مع ده كله فى ناس بتغلط وتتجوزهم

ومع كده تلاقى ملكة النكد الازليه ليل ونهار فى نكد وقرف وخناق :) :) mc:

وغير ده كله

تحسسك انها ملكة احسن شقة واحسن مش عارف ايه

وطماعيييييييييييييين

وكل ده على ايه فكك منى مش متجوز مصرية انا ابدا

على فكرة انا مش متجوز بس كنت خاطب قبل كده

انا بقى مع الشعب السورى الشقيق

وبنات حلب

حبايب قلبى

انشاء الله ربنا يرزقنا واحدة بنت حلال منهم :yahoo: mfb:

.ربنا يوفقك وتحسن الاختيار من حلب.

[Torontotruk]

و بعدين اللى تزوج من بنت اوروبية شرقية طب هى مين فى المجتمع و من عيلة مين و ايه اصلها و فصلها، و لماذا لم تتزوج من واحد من بلدها و دينها و عادتها و تقاليدها؟

مش ممكن جدا يكون رجل فتك :yahoo: ووجدت فيه اشياء لم تجدها في ابن بلدها ...وهو ايضا يمكن وجد فيها اشياء لم يجدها في بنات بلدوا..الدين المعاملة..